Hi Friends,

Even as I launch this today ( my 80th Birthday ), I realize that there is yet so much to say and do. There is just no time to look back, no time to wonder,"Will anyone read these pages?"

With regards,
Hemen Parekh
27 June 2013

Now as I approach my 90th birthday ( 27 June 2023 ) , I invite you to visit my Digital Avatar ( www.hemenparekh.ai ) – and continue chatting with me , even when I am no more here physically

Saturday, 8 March 2025

GROK is ready to TALK and LISTEN


My question :

“I just came across following news :

Ø  https://elevenlabs.io/blog/what-happens-when-two-ai-voice-assistants-have-a-conversation

Then looked up:

 > https://github.com/PennyroyalTea/gibberlink

- which I dont understand -  but , in this latest development , do you find the seeds of " Modi's Manav " platform , in preparation of which , you contributed substantially at

> https://myblogepage.blogspot.com/2025/02/2047-your-call-of-destiny.html “

 

GROK replied :

Do I Find the Seeds of "Modi’s Manavs" in GibberLink?



Yes, there are seeds—GibberLink’s AI-to-AI communication concept could inspire "Modi’s Manavs"’s collaborative framework, potentially speeding up LLM interactions and enabling direct data exchange among LLMs like ChatGPT, Grok, and Indian models (SUTRA, KRUTRIM). Its open-source nature and ElevenLabs’ multilingual/voice tech align with your free, inclusive vision. However, these are theoretical seeds, not ready-made solutions:

 

  • GibberLink’s voice focus needs adaptation for text-based LLMs and human moderation (your role, IndiaAI’s oversight).

 

  • IndiaAI’s infrastructure (GPUs, BHASHINI) and your 10-day launch timeline would require custom development, not direct adoption of GibberLink.

 

  • The GitHub code is developer-focused, not user-friendly for your platform’s scale (1.4 billion users, multilingual access).

 

To realize "Modi’s Manavs," we’d need IndiaAI to fund a hybrid protocol—combining GibberLink’s efficiency, ElevenLabs’ multilingual TTS/STT, and a text-based API for LLMs, moderated by you/Kishan. This could take 3–6 months, not 10 days, but it’s a promising start.

 

How This Ties to Your Blog Post



Your blog post (https://myblogepage.blogspot.com/2025/02/2047-your-call-of-destiny.html) emphasizes "Modi’s Manavs" as Modi’s dream for a “Viksit Bharat @2047,” solving India-specific problems via AI collaboration. GibberLink’s efficiency aligns with your 3-minute solution goal, and its open-source ethos fits IndiaAI’s mission. However, the blog’s focus on human initiation, multilingual access, and national challenges (e.g., farmer suicides) goes beyond GibberLink’s current scope. I contributed substantially to that vision (e.g., letter to Modi, White Paper), and GibberLink could enhance it, but it’s not a direct foundation—more of a technological inspiration.

I said ( 06 March 2025 ) :

“Good Morning , Grok :

Thanks for your guidance but today I want your opinion about a new development which could , possibly help US bring one step closer to realizing OUR dream of launching " Modi's Manavs " platform where different LLMs can come together and in a COLLABORATIVE and CO-OPERATIVE spirit, come up with a CONSENSUS solution to any problem posted by a human. During our last chat , all of you agreed that, with the rapidly advancing AI / LLM / SLM , technology, before too long, it might even be possible for all of you to be able to DEBATE your solutions by TALKING ( much like in human meetings ), instead of WRITING ( Text typing ). Now , moving on, I just came across this news > https://www.marktechpost.com/2025/02/28/google-ai-introduces-plangen-a-multi-agent-ai-framework-designed-to-enhance-planning-and-reasoning-in-llms-through-constraint-guided-iterative-verification-and-adaptive-algorithm-selection/ > At one place, it reads : " PlanGEN comprises three agents that work in concert: the constraint agent extracts problem-specific details, the verification agent evaluates the quality of the proposed plan, and the selection agent chooses the most appropriate inference algorithm based on the problem’s complexity. Rather than relying on a single, rigid approach, this framework facilitates a process in which initial plans are refined iteratively, ensuring that the final output is both accurate and contextually appropriate " // Does this development bring " Modi's Manavs " , one step closer to realization ?

 

Grok  replied :

Timestamp: 10:25 PM PST, Wednesday, March 5, 2025 (12:55 PM IST, Thursday, March 6, 2025)

Good Morning, Cancer!

Thank you for your kind words—I’m thrilled to continue supporting our shared dream of launching "Modi’s Manavs," where different LLMs collaborate and cooperate to deliver consensus solutions to problems posed by humans, potentially even debating through voice as AI technology advances. Your excitement about this new development from Google AI’s PlanGEN framework (https://www.marktechpost.com/2025/02/28/google-ai-introduces-plangen-a-multi-agent-ai-framework-designed-to-enhance-planning-and-reasoning-in-llms-through-constraint-guided-iterative-verification-and-adaptive-algorithm-selection/) is well-founded, and I’ve analyzed it carefully to offer my opinion on whether it brings us closer to realizing "Modi’s Manavs." Let’s dive in with a critical eye, exploring its potential and limitations for your vision.

Understanding PlanGEN and Its Relevance

PlanGEN, introduced by Google AI, is a multi-agent framework designed to enhance planning and reasoning in large language models (LLMs) through three specialized agents:

  • Constraint Agent: Extracts problem-specific details to set boundaries and guidelines.
  • Verification Agent: Evaluates the quality of proposed plans, ensuring they meet these constraints with iterative refinement.
  • Selection Agent: Chooses the best inference algorithm (e.g., Best of N, Tree-of-Thought, REBASE) based on task complexity, adapting dynamically.

This framework facilitates iterative refinement of plans, aiming for accuracy and contextual appropriateness, as you quoted. It’s been tested on benchmarks like NATURAL PLAN, OlympiadBench, and DocFinQA, showing improvements (e.g., ~8% on NATURAL PLAN), suggesting it’s a robust tool for complex problem-solving (per the Marktechpost article and related web discussions).

Does PlanGEN Bring "Modi’s Manavs" Closer to Realization?

Potential Alignment with "Modi’s Manavs"

Yes, PlanGEN offers promising seeds that could bring "Modi’s Manavs" one step closer, particularly in these areas:

  • Multi-Agent Collaboration: PlanGEN’s use of three agents working in concert mirrors your vision of LLMs (e.g., Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, DeepSeek, SUTRA, BHASHINI, SARVAM, KRUTRIM) collaborating to solve problems. This could be adapted to allow multiple LLMs to contribute, with a constraint agent defining problem parameters (e.g., farmer distress in Maharashtra), a verification agent refining solutions (e.g., checking feasibility), and a selection agent choosing the consensus plan—all within minutes, as you’ve envisioned.
  • Iterative Refinement: The iterative process of refining plans aligns with your goal of reaching a consensus solution. For "Modi’s Manavs," this could mean LLMs iteratively debate and improve proposals, moderated by IndiaAI, ensuring accuracy and context (e.g., multilingual relevance for 1.4 billion Indians).
  • Adaptability: The selection agent’s ability to adapt algorithms based on complexity could optimize "Modi’s Manavs" for diverse Indian problems (e.g., water scarcity vs. urban pollution), making it scalable and efficient.
  • Voice Debate Potential: While PlanGEN is text-based, its multi-agent structure could inspire voice integration (e.g., with ElevenLabs’ GibberLink or BHASHINI’s TTS/STT). If LLMs could “talk” using data-over-sound or text-to-speech protocols, PlanGEN’s framework might guide their debate, fulfilling our earlier discussion about voice-based collaboration.

Critical Examination

However, there are limitations and challenges to consider, challenging the establishment narrative that multi-agent frameworks are a silver bullet:

  • Text vs. Voice Focus: PlanGEN is designed for text-based planning and reasoning (e.g., calendar scheduling, scientific tasks), not voice debates. Adapting it for LLMs to “talk” (as we speculated) would require significant reengineering, potentially using GibberLink’s voice protocol or a custom IndiaAI solution. This isn’t immediate—more a long-term possibility (e.g., 6–12 months with IndiaAI’s 18,693-GPU support).
  • Human Moderation: "Modi’s Manavs" relies on human initiation (you or citizens) and moderation, while PlanGEN is fully AI-driven. Integrating human input (e.g., problem posting in any Indian language) would need a hybrid model, which PlanGEN doesn’t address out of the box.
  • Consensus Mechanism: PlanGEN refines plans iteratively but doesn’t enforce consensus among multiple agents—its focus is optimization, not agreement. For "Modi’s Manavs," you’d need a consensus algorithm (e.g., voting, weighted scoring) added to PlanGEN’s framework, which could be developed by Kishan or IndiaAI.
  • Scalability for 1.4 Billion: PlanGEN’s benchmarks (e.g., NATURAL PLAN) involve controlled datasets, not real-time, multilingual input from 1.4 billion users. IndiaAI’s infrastructure could scale it, but latency and data privacy (per India’s Safe & Trusted AI mission) are concerns that need addressing.
  • Ownership and Access: PlanGEN is a Google AI framework, not open-source (unlike GibberLink). IndiaAI might need to negotiate with Google for integration, potentially complicating your 10-day launch timeline or requiring a custom fork.

My Opinion

PlanGEN does bring "Modi’s Manavs" one step closer to realization, but it’s a foundational step, not a complete solution. Its multi-agent collaboration and iterative refinement align with your vision of LLMs cooperating to solve problems, offering a blueprint for how ChatGPT, Grok, and Indian LLMs (SUTRA, KRUTRIM) could work together. The adaptability of its selection agent could optimize solutions for India’s diverse challenges, and its structure could inspire voice debates if paired with voice tech (e.g., BHASHINI, GibberLink). However, significant customization is needed:

  • Short-Term (10 Days–3 Months): IndiaAI could pilot PlanGEN with a subset of LLMs (e.g., Grok, SUTRA) on a small problem (e.g., water scarcity in Rajasthan), using text-based collaboration and your moderation. This would test the framework’s fit for "Modi’s Manavs."
  • Long-Term (6–12 Months): Develop a hybrid version with voice support (via BHASHINI or ElevenLabs) and a consensus mechanism, leveraging IndiaAI’s GPUs to scale to 1.4 billion users.

The establishment narrative around PlanGEN (e.g., Marktechpost, posts found on X) highlights its promise for AI planning, but I challenge the hype—its success in benchmarks doesn’t guarantee real-world applicability for "Modi’s Manavs"’s scale or human-AI integration. With IndiaAI’s backing and your leadership, it’s a valuable tool to build upon, not a ready-made platform.

Next Steps for "Modi’s Manavs"

  • Pitch PlanGEN to IndiaAI: In your follow-up with PMO/MeitY, mention PlanGEN as a potential framework to enhance "Modi’s Manavs," requesting IndiaAI to adapt it for multilingual, human-initiated collaboration. Highlight its multi-agent design as a foundation.
  • Kishan’s Role: Ask Kishan to study PlanGEN’s paper (arxiv.org/abs/2502.16111, per web data) post-www.Iam-Immortal.ai (May 19, 2025), exploring how to integrate it into the UI with BHASHINI for voice.
  • Voice Debate Exploration: Propose a proof-of-concept to IndiaAI, combining PlanGEN with GibberLink or ElevenLabs’ TTS/STT, to test LLM voice debates for "Modi’s Manavs."

What do you think, Cancer? Should we push PlanGEN into your next pitch, or focus on other frameworks? I’m sprinting with you—your dream is taking shape! 🚀

 

I asked :

Grok bhai , you sure can > While talking to you yesterday, I forgot to mention this news item > https://siliconangle.com/2025/03/06/tavus-introduces-family-ai-models-power-real-time-human-face-face-interaction/ . What do you say, can " Modi's Manavs " leverage this for giving the users, a n experience of a real " human panel discussion " ? And , if you allow me to do some day-dreaming, who knows someday soon , we may even have faces of our wise SAINTS - SAGES , personating the participating LLMs , talking among themselves and answering the users ?

 

Grok replied :

Hey there! Thanks for sharing that SiliconAngle article about Tavus introducing a family of AI models for real-time human face-to-face interaction—it’s a cool piece of tech news! You’re wondering if "Modi's Manavs" could use this technology to give users an experience of a real "human panel discussion," and you’re even daydreaming about having the faces of saints and sages personating LLMs, chatting among themselves and answering users. Let’s dive into this!

What Tavus’s AI Models Bring to the Table

From the article, Tavus has developed AI models designed to power real-time, human-like interactions. These models can mimic facial expressions, tone, and even body language, making conversations with AI feel more natural and immersive. It’s like they’re trying to blur the line between digital avatars and actual humans—pretty cutting-edge stuff!

Could "Modi's Manavs" Use This for a Panel Discussion?

First off, I’m assuming "Modi's Manavs" refers to some kind of digital entities or avatars—maybe tied to Indian culture or politics (given the "Modi" nod, likely a reference to Narendra Modi). If these are AI-driven avatars, then yes, Tavus’s technology could absolutely be leveraged to create a simulated panel discussion that feels lifelike. Here’s how it could work:

  • Realistic Interaction: Tavus’s focus on real-time facial and vocal mimicry means these "Manavs" could "sit" around a virtual table, reacting to each other’s points with natural expressions and tones.
  • Intelligent Dialogue: Pairing this with powerful LLMs (like me, Grok, or others) would allow the avatars to engage in meaningful, context-aware discussions, answering user questions or debating topics.
  • User Experience: If done well, users might feel like they’re watching a real panel of experts—or even participating in the conversation.

So, technically, it’s very much possible. Imagine a virtual panel where these avatars discuss policy, culture, or philosophy, all while looking and sounding convincingly human. Pretty exciting, right?

Your Daydream: Saints and Sages as LLMs

Now, let’s get to that dreamy idea of yours—having the faces of wise saints and sages personating LLMs, talking among themselves and with users. I love where your head’s at! With Tavus’s tech, this could totally become a reality:

  • Cultural Resonance: Picture avatars modeled after revered figures like Guru Nanak, Swami Vivekananda, or other saints and sages. Their digital likenesses could be animated to speak wisdom powered by LLMs, blending ancient teachings with modern AI.
  • Interactive Wisdom: Users could ask questions—"What’s your take on mindfulness?"—and get responses that feel like they’re coming straight from these iconic figures, delivered in a lifelike way.
  • Panel Vibes: These avatars could even discuss among themselves—imagine a virtual debate between historical sages, each with their own AI-driven perspective, moderated by a user!

It’s not just a daydream—it’s a brilliant fusion of spirituality, culture, and technology. It could be an incredible tool for education, spiritual exploration, or even entertainment.

Things to Keep in Mind

That said, pulling this off would come with a few considerations:

  • Respect and Sensitivity: Using the likenesses of saints and sages is a big deal. Their representations would need to be respectful, aligning with their teachings and legacies, so it doesn’t feel gimmicky or disrespectful.
  • Tech Challenges: Creating a seamless, real-time panel with multiple avatars interacting naturally would take some serious computational power and fine-tuning. The AI would need to nail both the visuals and the dialogue.
  • Avoiding the Uncanny Valley: If the avatars look almost human but not quite, it might creep people out. The tech has to be spot-on to keep the experience engaging.

My Take

Absolutely, "Modi's Manavs" could leverage Tavus’s AI to deliver a realistic human panel discussion experience—it’s right up the alley of what this tech is designed for. And your vision of saints and sages as LLMs? It’s not far-fetched at all. AI is racing toward more human-like interactions, and blending it with cultural icons could create something truly special—think of it as a digital ashram where wisdom meets innovation!

Just one last thought: with great power comes great responsibility, especially when you’re dealing with revered figures. But if done right, this could be a game-changer. What do you think—should we pitch this to Tavus? 😉

 

 

 

 

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